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Allegiant (ALGT) Q4 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

By Motley Fool Transcribing | February 04, 2026, 6:20 PM
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DATE

Feb. 4, 2026, 4:30 p.m. ET

CALL PARTICIPANTS

  • Chief Executive Officer — Greg Anderson
  • President and Chief Financial Officer — Robert Neal
  • Chief Commercial Officer — Drew Wells
  • Managing Director, Investor Relations — Sherry Wilson

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TAKEAWAYS

  • Total airline revenue -- $656 million for the quarter, a 7.6% increase and a fourth-quarter record; full-year revenue topped $2.5 billion, up 4.3%, also a record high.
  • Adjusted operating margin -- 12.9% in the period, among the industry’s leaders, supported by a 10.5% capacity growth and a 2.6% decline in TRASM.
  • Net income -- $50.1 million in the quarter (airline segment), delivering $2.72 per share, surpassing prior company midpoint guidance of $2.00.
  • Full-year consolidated net income -- $70.3 million, or $3.80 per share; full-year airline-only net income reached $93.8 million, or $5.07 per share.
  • EBITDA margin -- Nearly 22% for the quarter, with EBITDA over $143 million, highlighting earnings strength in a favorable leisure demand climate.
  • Adjusted nonfuel unit costs -- 8.01¢, a 3.4% year-over-year improvement on 10.2% higher capacity in the quarter; full-year nonfuel unit costs down 6.1% despite trimmed planned capacity by 4.5 points.
  • Load factor -- Increased by one percentage point in the quarter compared to prior year, cited as supporting improved unit revenue trend.
  • Fleet composition -- 123 aircraft at year-end, including 16 Boeing 737 MAX and 107 Airbus A320 family aircraft; integration of MAX aircraft cited as delivering roughly a 20% fuel burn advantage over A320 models.
  • Debt and liquidity -- Debt reduced to just under $1.8 billion from $2.1 billion in the prior quarter; net leverage improved to 2.3 times; total available liquidity was $1.1 billion, including $250 million in undrawn revolver.
  • Capital expenditures -- $56.7 million in the quarter, with $35.9 million for aircraft and $20.8 million for other items; full-year CapEx totaled $453 million.
  • 2026 guidance -- Adjusted earnings per share projected at least $8, a 60% increase, and first-quarter adjusted operating margin expected at 13.5%.
  • Sun Country acquisition -- Transaction expected to close in 2026 and positioned as a structural lever for the company's next phase of growth, highlighting aligned technology and minimal network overlap.
  • Credit card revenue -- Approximately $140 million remuneration received; recent new card acquisition up double digits for four of the last five months, supporting future revenue expansion.
  • ASM growth outlook -- 2026 capacity projected to decline 0.5% for the full year due to weighted aircraft deliveries; 19 new markets to begin in first quarter, 20 more planned for second quarter.
  • Technology modernization -- Shifted to a modern technology stack, cited as enabling improved customer experience, digital tools, and operational nimbleness.
  • Operational reliability -- Controllable completion rate of 99.9% maintained, earning the top Wall Street Journal ranking for lowest cancellation rate and mishandled bags among U.S. airlines.
  • Nonfuel unit cost guidance -- Management expects full-year CASM ex on a full-year basis to be down versus 2024, though modest pressure is anticipated due to flat capacity.

SUMMARY

Allegiant Travel Company (NASDAQ:ALGT) introduced 2026 guidance with a baseline of at least $8 earnings per share, citing anticipated margin expansion from early operational and technology investments and a conservative demand outlook. The company focused on reiterating a discipline-first approach, declining fleet growth for the year and prioritizing commercial and operational initiatives that do not rely on macroeconomic acceleration. Transactional details and synergies from the Sun Country Airlines (NASDAQ: SNCY) acquisition remain pivotal, with integration planning ongoing but not yet factored into guidance. Allegiant Travel Company announced a refocused capital allocation plan, with substantial liquidity and debt reduction following the Sunseeker divestiture, providing leeway for planned aircraft purchases and merger-related outlays. The call closed with management emphasizing fleet flexibility and a measured pace for leveraging further MAX order options.

  • Company leadership signaled that projected unit revenue growth is expected to outpace adjusted unit cost increases in the coming year, reinforcing margin expansion ambitions.
  • Winter storm disruptions caused a $2 million revenue impact but were mitigated by operational agility supported by recent technology upgrades.
  • Allegiant Travel Company does not expect to grow fleet count in 2026, though network and schedule flexibility will allow capacity adjustments aligned with demand shifts if justified mid-year.
  • New market introductions and increases in co-brand credit card engagement were tied to both current and projected top-line growth, positioning the business for diversified ancillary revenues.
  • Management described ongoing constructive engagement with Bank of America to evolve the co-brand credit card program, aiming to boost remuneration above recent 5% levels, with management targeting an increase of another two to three percentage points.
  • Planned capital expenditures for 2026 approximate $750 million, driven by eleven expected 737 MAX deliveries (with nine entering service) and related deferred maintenance investments.
  • Customer demand in January was singled out as "exceptional" by Wells, though guidance does not presume its persistence through later quarters, reflecting management’s preference for cautious forecasting amid booking curve uncertainty.
  • Leadership confirmed the ongoing shift from proprietary systems to a modernized technology stack, unlocking new data-driven revenue and operational efficiencies.
  • Company executives stated that fleet ownership remains a long-term differentiator, with fleet mix decisions to be balanced against net leverage and cash targets, rather than a near-term move to single-platform operations.

INDUSTRY GLOSSARY

  • TRASM: Total revenue per available seat mile — a unit revenue metric for airlines.
  • ASM: Available seat mile — measures airline passenger carrying capacity.
  • CASM ex: Cost per available seat mile excluding fuel — key airline unit cost metric.
  • LEAP engines: Advanced high-efficiency jet engines powering some of Allegiant Travel Company’s aircraft, delivering lower fuel consumption.
  • Navitaire: Airline operations, reservations, and e-commerce technology platform in use at Allegiant Travel Company and referenced for integration with Sun Country Airlines.
  • Sunseeker: Divested non-airline business previously contributing to Allegiant Travel Company’s asset and debt mix.

Full Conference Call Transcript

Operator: Hello, and welcome to the Allegiant Travel Company Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2025 Earnings Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. I would now like to turn the conference over to Sherry Wilson, Managing Director of Investor Relations. You may begin.

Sherry Wilson: Thank you, and welcome to Allegiant Travel Company's Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2025 Earnings Call. We will begin today's call with Greg Anderson, CEO, providing a high-level overview of the quarter along with an update on our business. Drew Wells, Chief Commercial Officer, will walk through demand commentary and revenue performance. And finally, Robert Neal, President and Chief Financial Officer, will speak to our financial results and outlook. Following commentary, we will open it up to questions and one follow-up if needed. We ask that you please limit yourself to one question. The company's comments today will contain forward-looking statements concerning our future performance and strategic plan.

Various risk factors could cause the underlying assumptions of these statements and our actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by our forward-looking statements. These risk factors and others are more fully disclosed in our filings with the SEC. Any forward-looking statements are based on information available to us today. We undertake no obligation to update publicly any forward-looking statements whether as a result of future events, new information, or otherwise. The company cautions investors not to place undue reliance on forward-looking statements which may be based on assumptions and events that do not materialize.

To view this earnings release as well as the rebroadcast of the call, feel free to visit the company's Investor Relations site at ir.allegiantair.com. And with that, I'll turn it to Grace.

Greg Anderson: Thank you, and thanks to everyone for joining us today. We closed 2025 with strong momentum, capping a year of meaningful progress that strengthened our foundation and showcased the durability of our model. Let me briefly review our performance in the fourth quarter, reflect on key achievements from last year, and then frame our strategic focus for 2026. Our financial results for the fourth quarter exceeded our original expectations. We saw strong leisure demand throughout the quarter as TRASM declined just 2.6% on 10.5% capacity growth. Fuel ran slightly higher than expected, but disciplined cost execution helped us deliver a 12.9% adjusted operating margin among the best in the industry.

These results demonstrate the effectiveness of our low utilization flexible capacity model. Operationally, 2025 was an outstanding year. Controllable completion was an impressive 99.9% even as we increased peak flying. That consistency was recognized externally as well. The Wall Street Journal ranked Allegiant the second-best US airline overall and number one in lowest cancellation rate, the least number of mishandled bags, and the fewest instances of involuntarily bumping passengers. This reflects the daily professionalism and execution of Team Allegiant. We also successfully integrated the MAX aircraft into our fleet. After receiving our first MAX in late 2024, we prioritized investing in pilot training and revamping our maintenance operations to ensure a seamless transition.

And these aircraft are performing very well, delivering roughly a 20% fuel burn advantage compared to the A320. And now we are continuing to optimize schedules to allow us to realize the efficiency and reliability benefits from our MAX fleet. As they continue to increase their share of flying for us, they should become a meaningful tailwind for margins. Technology modernization was another important milestone. Transitioning away from our proprietary systems in favor of modern, flexible platforms was a major undertaking, but it was essential for achieving our future goals. We are now turning our focus to leveraging the state-of-the-art technology stack that allows us to introduce new tools and capabilities across the business.

And our commercial initiatives are also gaining traction. Allegiant Extra continues to perform well, loyalty engagement is rising, and our improving digital capabilities are helping to make travel easier and even more enjoyable. With flash capacity growth in 2026, these commercial levers should boost earnings as their early results remain encouraging. Importantly, we strengthened our financial position while advancing all these initiatives. Unit costs fell more than 6% for the year, an industry-leading performance. And with the sale of Sunseeker, debt repayments, and improved EBITDA, net leverage was reduced to 2.3 turns, nearing our lowest level since pre-COVID. Turning briefly to demand, we saw a meaningful improvement over the holiday period, and that momentum continued into January.

Current leisure demand is strong, and our customers continue to value convenience and affordability, areas where Allegiant is uniquely positioned. Looking ahead to 2026, we do not plan to grow the fleet this year as a standalone. We expect to lean into our existing infrastructure and commercial initiatives to drive traffic improvement and margin expansion. Importantly, we remain committed to balancing growth with profitability, which we refer to as earning the right to grow. We expect a 13.5% adjusted operating margin in the first quarter, which should be our second straight quarter at or near the industry lead, setting the stage for a strong 2026.

For the full year, we're guiding to adjusted EPS of more than $8 per share, an increase of approximately 60% year over year, reflecting the structural improvements we've made across the business. Strategically, our agreement to acquire Sun Country is an important step forward as the combination is expected to accelerate our ability to build the leading leisure airline in the US. Given the execution over the past year and the strengthening of our foundation, the organization is well-positioned to take on this significant undertaking. The two airlines share strong cultural alignment, similar fleet types, minimal network overlap, and complementary technology platforms, including Navitaire, all of which help reduce integration risk.

A thoughtful integration plan is underway, focusing on capturing synergies efficiently while protecting operational excellence and the respective strengths of both airlines. When you step back and look at the broader landscape, it's clear that Allegiant continues to separate itself within our segment of the industry. Our low utilization flexible capacity model has worked for more than twenty years because it is purpose-built for leisure flying. We take great pride in being the leisure carrier of choice in nearly all of the 126 communities we serve, delivering convenience and reliability that travelers can count on. And none of this is possible without the consistency and dedication of Team Allegiant.

Their passion shows up every single day, and I'm honored to work alongside them. And with that, let me turn it over to Drew to walk through our commercial performance.

Drew Wells: Thank you, Greg, and thanks, everyone, for joining us this afternoon. We finished 2025 with more than $2.5 billion in total airline revenue, up approximately 4.3% versus full year 2024, and a record high for Allegiant. I'd be remiss not to celebrate the success of the growth strategy even in the face of macroeconomic pressures through the year. On the back of that growth, we believe our year-over-year travel change relative to our CASM ex performance will be the best in the industry for the full year. The fourth quarter ended with approximately $656 million in total airline revenue, up approximately 7.6% versus Q4 2024, and a fourth-quarter record.

Finally, the fixed fee revenue contribution of $25.5 million in the fourth quarter, despite the increase of scheduled service utilization, was another quarterly record. Our unit revenue metrics performed quite well in the fourth quarter, particularly when considering the growth profile. Our scheduled service ASMs grew 10.5% year over year in the fourth quarter, while TRASM decreased 2.6% to 12.67¢. As we've discussed over the last couple of quarters, the change in load factor trajectory is helping support the improvement of the growth-adjusted trend and unit revenue metrics. As we gained a full point of load factor in Q4 2025 compared to the prior year. The winter holiday performance was certainly the most striking.

Revenues over the Thanksgiving travel window were slightly higher on a year-over-year basis, and unit revenues across the Christmas and New Year's travel period were modestly higher on a year-over-year basis, but also notably shifted into January, providing some tailwind into 2026. Remember, the holiday period in 2024 also marks the start of our utilization normalization and continues into 2026. We expect the next year to represent additional sculpting of the significant utilization lift of the last year. For many markets, that represents capacity somewhere between 2024 and 2025 levels. Peak days will increase utilization just slightly through the first half of the year, while off-peak days will regress slightly more.

We'll maintain some slack in the approach, but as usual, we'll feature more ability to add off-peak day capacity as the environment dictates. Additionally, as Greg alluded to, the proliferation of MAX flying in our network. We're thrilled with the performance of the new aircraft in our system thus far. In fact, cherry-picking the top A320 lines throughout the entire system against all MAX flyers are producing approximately 20% better economics simply measured as revenue per hour less fuel expense per hour on peak days with similar utilization.

Further, through the same comparison on off-peak days, we produce nearly 10% better per hour economics while also flying the MAX aircraft 30% more than the same top Airbus tails in the fourth quarter. We continue to be incredibly excited for the increased potential that lies ahead with this aircraft. The fleet cadence through 2026, of course, correlates neatly with our overall ASM growth expectation. First-quarter ASMs are expected to be down approximately 5.7%, and the second quarter slightly more due both to fleet schedule and the Easter holiday pulling forward. Growth is expected to ramp up in the third and then further in the fourth quarter to achieve a full-year expectation of down 0.5% versus full-year 2025.

2026 will also mark a return of robust levels of new market ASMs, while Q1 remains in the mid-single percent of ASMs flown. Approximately 10% of both the second and third quarters will be in their first twelve months of operation. 19 markets begin service in the first quarter, 17 of those this month, and 20 more in the second quarter. New markets lend themselves to strong lift in new card acquisition trends. Four of the last five months have been double-digit percent higher on a year-over-year basis, and spend remains strong on the card. We received approximately $140 million in remuneration, which represented a modest year-over-year increase.

As we continue to build on this momentum, we are committed to working closely with Bank of America on the evolution of the co-brand. And we are engaged in constructive discussions to ensure long-term alignment and a continued strong partnership that supports the next phase of our current program. The modest decline in ASM, holiday shifts pulling noticeable traffic into the quarter, and most importantly, the exceptional demand throughout the month of January sets us up for an incredible Q1 revenue performance. I noted the New Year shift of traveling to Q1, but the early Easter will have some positive impact on March as well.

Even while winter storm impacts were worth approximately $2 million in absolute revenue headwinds, the TRASM effect is a slight positive due to the timing within the quarter. We were much better positioned within our Navitaire ecosystem to provide options and reaccommodate our passengers. And most of all, a huge thank you to all of our team members that showed up in adverse conditions and safely made a huge difference in the lives of our travelers. With that, I'd like to hand it over to Robert.

Robert Neal: Thank you, Drew, and good afternoon, everyone. I'd like to start by just recognizing the team for their incredible work throughout 2025. We grew capacity by 12.6% in the year on flat fleet count and flat staffing levels. Despite a 14% increase in fleet utilization and nearly 17% reduction in employees per departure, our team members delivered an industry-leading controllable completion of 99.9%. Now I'll walk through the fourth quarter and full-year results and then provide an update on our outlook and financial position. As with prior calls, my comments today will reference results on an adjusted basis, excluding special items unless otherwise noted.

Our outlook today will exclude any impact from our proposed acquisition of SunTrust Airlines, which we expect to close in 2026. For the fourth quarter, the airline segment produced net income of $50.1 million, resulting in airline-only earnings of $2.72 per share, coming in ahead of our guided range, which was $2 per share at the midpoint. Outperformance was driven by lower-than-expected salaries and benefits, timing of certain maintenance expenses, and a stronger-than-expected revenue environment following the government shutdown. Full-year 2025 consolidated net income was $70.3 million or $3.80 per share. The airline earned $93.8 million, yielding full-year airline-only earnings of $5.07 per share.

The airline generated just over $143 million of EBITDA during the fourth quarter, producing an EBITDA margin of nearly 22%, underscoring the earnings power of the model in a favorable leisure demand environment. Turning to costs, fuel averaged $2.61 per gallon during the fourth quarter, slightly above our expectations. Notably, ASMs per gallon were up 2.6% over the prior year quarter, highlighting initial efficiencies from investments in the MAX aircraft and LEAP engines. As the MAX aircraft comprises a larger percentage of the fleet, we expect to see continued improvements here, yielding significant savings in annual fuel consumption. Fourth-quarter adjusted nonfuel unit costs were 8.01¢, representing a 3.4% year-over-year improvement on 10.2% higher capacity.

For the full year, cost performance came in consistent with our down mid-single-digit expectation, with nonfuel unit costs down 6.1% despite the removal of 4.5 points of planned capacity growth, demonstrating the strength and agility of our flexible utilization model and the cost discipline of our team. We continue to grow into our infrastructure throughout 2025, and I'm really pleased with how the team has delivered on the cost front. As we look ahead to 2026, while we expect capacity to be down slightly year over year, which will place modest pressure on CASM ex, I remain confident that the cost initiatives implemented in 2025 will help mitigate these pressures.

Importantly, we continue to expect full-year unit revenue increases to exceed CASM ex fuel increases, as evidenced by our full-year outlook, which I'll discuss in a moment. Moving to the balance sheet, we ended the quarter with total available liquidity of $1.1 billion, inclusive of $250 million of undrawn revolving credit facilities. Cash and investments declined by approximately $150 million from the end of the prior quarter, reflecting proactive debt prepayments following the sale of Sunseeker, which had closed late in the third quarter. During the quarter, we repaid $259 million of debt, including $224 million in voluntary prepayments. At year-end, cash and investments started at 32% of full-year revenues.

We also increased our revolver capacity to $250 million, up from $175 million, providing efficient available liquidity while allowing for a reduction in debt balances. Notably, we continue to maintain an uncovered pool of aircraft and engines valued at well over $1 billion, providing substantial financial flexibility. Total debt at year-end was just under $1.8 billion, down from $2.1 billion at the end of the third quarter, and net leverage improved to 2.3 times, down nearly a full turn from 2024. Capital expenditures during the fourth quarter were $56.7 million, including $35.9 million of aircraft-related spend and $20.8 million in other expenditures. While deferred heavy maintenance spend during the quarter was $11.5 million.

For the full year, we invested $453 million into the airline, inclusive of heavy maintenance expenditures and within our previously guided range. We ended the year with 123 aircraft in the fleet, including sixteen 737 MAX and 107 A320 family aircraft. Looking ahead to 2026, we expect to take delivery of eleven 737 MAX aircraft, with nine placed into service by year-end, while retiring nine A320 family aircraft throughout the year, resulting in a flat year-over-year fleet count. Based on these delivery expectations, we estimate full-year 2026 capital expenditures of approximately $750 million, including $85 million in deferred heavy maintenance and $580 million of aircraft-related CapEx.

Turning to our outlook, as Drew noted, we now expect full-year capacity to be down slightly year over year, largely due to the timing of aircraft deliveries, which are back-half weighted. This includes a modest delay of three aircraft, pushing their entry into service just after the start of our summer peak. The healthy demand environment we observed during 2025 extended into early January. While winter storms, Fern, and Gianna did impact bookings, we're beginning to see a recovery, and today's guidance reflects the impact from the storms. As a reminder, our outlook is based on Allegiant's standalone forecast.

For the first quarter, we expect earnings per share of approximately $3 at the midpoint of our guided range, implying an operating margin of 13.5% based on an assumed fuel cost of $2.60 per gallon. For the full year, given continued macro uncertainty across the industry, we believe it is appropriate to guide more conservatively. At this point, we expect to deliver earnings per share of at least $8, with the potential for upside as demand trends, cost initiatives, and operating performance evolve over the course of the year. As I wrap up, 2025 was a foundational year for Allegiant.

We brought the level of operations back in line with our fleet infrastructure, providing operating cost economics constructive to our leisure-focused flexible capacity model. We largely restored peak day aircraft utilization, making more of our product available on the days our customers want to travel. We aligned management headcount to the level of operations and introduced performance-based pay programs for leaders across the business. We integrated one-third of our firm order book from Boeing, improving team member productivity and delivering initial fuel efficiency targets. We divested the Sunseeker business and refocused management efforts on the airline. We paid down debt and positioned our balance sheet for healthy investment in our future.

With more than 100 new technology aircraft available in our order book, a healthy financial position to access the used aircraft market opportunistically, and a technology suite suitable for serving a larger customer base, I remain highly confident in the foundation we have here. Whether that be for navigating through various demand environments, expanding our leisure offering with more community, or enhancing our customer and team member experience. And with that, operator, this concludes our prepared remarks. We can now move to analyst questions.

Operator: Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, please press 1 on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, simply press 1 again. We ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up if needed. Thank you. Your first question comes from Scott Group with Wolfe Research. Your line is open.

Scott Group: Hey. Thanks. Afternoon. So I think the term you used was January was exceptional from a demand standpoint. Maybe just, like, some color on what you think is driving that. And I know it's early, but when you look at the rest of the quarter, how does it look? Are you seeing that same trend continue? Any degree of moderation? Just any thoughts there.

Drew Wells: Yeah. Thanks, Scott. You know, it helps that we have seats pulling back a little bit when it comes to demand, but I don't think what we're talking about is much different than what we've heard from a number of carriers through this cycle. The user, the visitation coming through the front door is better than we've seen in several of the prior years, able to manifest both in terms of bookings and through some pricing capabilities and yield, which is a nice change of pace for us over the last couple of years. So I think that's going to be really pronounced going through the spring break and Easter period.

And then, you know, we'll kind of see what happens as bookings and demand start to turn a corner toward post-Easter into the summertime frame, which is still a bit too far out for the current booking curve. So, you know, I think we're hopeful as we get into the second and third quarters that there remains upside similar to what we've seen in January. But, you know, not something that I'm willing to bank on quite yet. Bear bars on what we've seen for the summer period over the last several years are just so much wider. That it's hard to have a great deal of conviction that this will definitively continue through that time frame.

Scott Group: And then if I heard correctly, I think you have a view that you guys are going to have the best RASM, CASM spread in the industry this year. Maybe just a little bit more color on how you are thinking about both RASM and CASM this year would be helpful.

Drew Wells: Hey, Scott. I think in Drew's comments, he was referring to, in 2025, the best spread between TRASM and CASM ex. But I will say as we look to 2026, we expect TRASM to improve more than CASM ex this year as well, which reinforces the margin expansion that we're looking at.

Scott Group: Okay. That was backward-looking. Okay. I apologize. But how are we thinking about in a flattish capacity environment, how are you thinking about CASM this year?

Robert Neal: Sure, Scott. Hey. It's BJ. On a full-year basis, you know, as you would expect, we would expect CASM to be up for the most part across all lines in the P&L except maybe aircraft rent, which we've talked about the last couple of calls. And then if you just think about the shape of capacity, you would expect CASM ex to be up more in the first half of the year than it would be in the back half. Expect the second quarter to be the high point of the year. And I would just share I would on a year-over-year comp basis.

And then maybe just worth noting, we do expect CASM ex on a full-year basis to be down versus 2024.

Scott Group: That's helpful. Thank you, guys.

Operator: The next question comes from Atul Maheswari with UBS. Your line is open.

Atul Maheswari: Good evening. Thanks a lot for taking my question. Vijay, you mentioned in your prepared remarks that you were being conservative with the full-year guidance given, you know, how some of the macro issues hit the region and the industry last year. So just to be clear on what's assumed for the full-year guidance, you're not really assuming the current from January trends to continue, and it's what gets you to the $8 versus that the right way to think about, you know, like, in January trends, you want to continue to get a number higher than that. Is that the right way to think about it?

Robert Neal: Yeah. Cool. I think that's right. Can just kind of think about Drew's answer there to Scott's question. That would line up.

Atul Maheswari: Okay. Thank you. And then on the first quarter, I want to better understand what's assumed at the low end and at the high end. So if current booking trends were to continue, does that take you to the midpoint of the first quarter range, which is the $3, or does that take you to the high end of the range? And then what's assumed at the low end?

Drew Wells: A lot there. You know, like, what we're putting out for the midpoint is kind of where we see demand. We know it will taper a little bit through the quarter for in-quarter bookings. That's, you know, just the nature of things. The peak is certainly the weeks immediately after the New Year. So, you know, we won't persist at exactly the same level, but we wouldn't expect that either. And then, you know, variance from that on the rep side will take us one way or the other.

Operator: The next question comes from Mike Linenberg with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

Mike Linenberg: Hey, good afternoon. Two questions here. You talk about demand and the strength that you're seeing, how much of that is just a function of the fact that you're coming into the year with a very favorable supply backdrop. I mean, you indicated, Drew, that you're going to be down March and June and then it picks up. And, you know, maybe more specifically, you know, where is the demand across the network? You know, is it stronger in some regions versus others? Like, we know that Vegas has been struggling, but we've also seen a lot of capacity come out of Vegas.

So I realize the headline number may be somewhat deceiving, and some just curious if you could drill down and give us a little more color.

Drew Wells: Yeah. Perhaps a little more color, but, you know, I'll probably stop short of great detail. Geographically, it all looks pretty strong. I mean, to your point, it's not a new story that Vegas has struggled. I think LBCBA's numbers had it down about seven and a half percent or so in visitation year over year, but convention attendees were flat. Right? It's becoming a very events-driven and holiday-driven destination, which is very similar to the rest of our network, but a bit unfortunate to lose kind of that year-round rock star reliable that it once was. So, yeah, certainly having seats down helps, but it's, you know, I alluded to the visitation to the website.

I mean, what's coming through the front door, you know, we would have loved to have in '25 too. When we were talking about, you know, how strong it was to start the year, and we're beating that. So I feel really good about where we sit. I feel good about it in elevated capacity. I feel really good about it with those seats coming down a little bit.

Greg Anderson: Okay. Great. In my case, Greg. I would what Drew and team did in the plan this year as well is they concentrated more flying in the peaks and removed some in the off-peak as well. So I know Drew mentioned that in his opening remarks, but that too, you know, that's a helpful backdrop for the strength we're seeing in demand.

Mike Linenberg: Great. And then just my second question, really turning to the merger and maybe just some of the mechanics. Not that you put out a filing, but just curious what went, you know, at what day or what timeframe you did actually file Hart-Scott-Rodino? I know it's a thirty-day waiting period. The deal was announced early January, so if it was right around that time, we'd be coming up to at least the first thirty-day period. And sort of tied to the merger, as we think about the cash component, the $4 plus per Sun Country share, I think that's about $200 million. Is that the plan to finance that out of cash or, you know, would you finance that?

Or, you know, is it out of cash, or would you actually finance it? Thanks for taking my questions on that.

Greg Anderson: No. Thanks for the question, Mike. I'll kick it off. Vijay will follow up on that second part around cash. As we put out, we expect the merger to close in '26. And to your point, there's conditions necessary to achieve that. Shareholder vote, regulatory approval, and then some other customary closing conditions. For the shareholder vote and the regulatory approval or the HSR filing, we expect Mike to file both of those within the coming weeks. And then that'll post those filings and review. That'll trigger the timeline as well. And then, BJ, do you want to jump in on the question?

Robert Neal: Sure. Hey, Mike. On the cash consideration for the merger closing, you know, it's certainly going to depend on when in the year the closing would take place. I would just note we have a bond out there that matures in 2027. So we've had an eye on the market to refinance that at some point. And so, ideally, we would refinance that and take a little bit more out. And have some extra cash to pay the cash consideration of the merger closing. But if the timing doesn't work out, there's, you know, more than $1 billion in unencumbered aircraft and engines. Candidly, balances for the first quarter are ahead of schedule.

We could start by just using cash balances if we need to.

Mike Linenberg: Great. Great. Thanks, everyone.

Robert Neal: Thanks, Mike.

Operator: The next question comes from Duane Pfennigwerth with Evercore ISI. Your line is open.

Duane Pfennigwerth: Thank you. I just wonder if you could speak to how you were deploying the MAX aircraft. Any more flexibility that you have currently versus maybe how you were using them with just a few on the property. And as you begin to consider the combination with Sun Country's fleet and your own fleet, do you see the biggest opportunities?

Drew Wells: Yeah. So I think we talked about this in previous quarters. Starting around mid-November, we pivoted a little bit on MAX from flying a lot of cycles and getting up and down for pilot transition training. And something that supported a bit of longer-haul flying, something that's a bit more commercially driven. So that, yeah, that started what, two and a half months ago or so. And, you know, contributing to the numbers I quoted in the remarks. Feeling great about that. You know, we'll get into additional basing on that in the back half of this year as delivery resumes.

Robert Neal: Back on the second part. Yeah. And then just on the potential transaction, Duane, with Fleet and how we would be flexible in that regard. I think we're really excited. We think there's some upside in the deal to ensure that we can have the right aircraft at the right gauge in the right markets. Both Sun Country and Allegiant, we own a great deal of flexibility with our aircraft. We have there. It'd be too early to say what we're planning at this point, but we do think that provides some potential additional upside as part of the transaction as well.

Duane Pfennigwerth: Thanks for that. And then maybe just from an earnings power, earnings seasonality perspective, as you think about the quarterly baseline, maybe for 2025, which quarter do you think has the most upside from your perspective? And that's not necessarily a 2026 comment, but just to get to like that normalized earnings power on an Allegiant standalone basis. As you look back on the April 2025, which quarter do you think has the most upside?

Greg Anderson: Duane, let me kick it off, and I'll I don't want to say that the third quarter, I believe, has the most upside, but what we're focused on is, as you recall, in 2025, we had a negative margin in the third quarter. We're focused on turning that to a positive margin as well. But in terms of the most upside, Drew, I mean, you say it's kind of bookended on the first and the fourth quarter right now?

Drew Wells: Yeah. They remain incredibly resilient first and fourth quarter. You know, just thinking about the same store flat capacity backdrop, we were down about 6% in the second quarter and 5% in the third. Yeah. I don't know, and I'm not willing to guide for you today what recovers from that, but those certainly took the largest kind of core demand impact through '25 and that perspective would pose the biggest upside capability this year.

Duane Pfennigwerth: Okay. Very helpful. Thank you.

Operator: The next question comes from Andrew Didora with Bank of America. Your line is open.

Andrew Didora: Hi. Good afternoon, everyone. I guess, first question for Greg. I guess, now that you're back on track with your MAX order book here, like, you used to generate roughly $6 million in EBITDA per aircraft back in 2019. With this new fleet, you know, any way any chance you can maybe give us an update on where you think that can go in today's environment with the new MAX fleet that you're going to have?

Greg Anderson: Yeah. On the MAX aircraft, Andrew, they're definitely the larger share of ASMs that they're producing in the company. You know, we think that becomes a meaningful structural tailwind. Overall, though, and I appreciate the comment about the improvements you've seen, we've really been focused on these initiatives that we've talked about to strengthen our business, kind of get back to what the Allegiant of old. And, you know, for many years, we have led the industry, and we're pleased with the progress we're making. Our first step is getting back to double-digit margins. And I think this year, you're seeing in our guide that we're taking, you know, a meaningful move in that direction.

Andrew Didora: Got it. Fair enough. Just my second question, you know, I know there's obviously a lot of utilization to flex capacity over the year. I guess, you know, if you see demand get materially better, do you have much capacity that you could potentially flex and add in given your flat fleet growth? Thanks.

Drew Wells: Yeah. I've mentioned a little bit in the remarks that we have some slack on peak days, you know, kind of to go through the summer. But, certainly, you know, off-peak has a ton of runway if the demand and fuel environments dictate that we add that in there. You know, I think we'd be making those calls, you know, time frame. More or less, but certainly some slack that still exists there.

Andrew Didora: Thank you very much.

Operator: The next question comes from Jad Gaudin with Citigroup. Your line is open.

Jad Gaudin: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. Obviously, great quarter, great guidance. I wanted to just think about Q1 guidance versus the full year a little bit in a little bit more detail. Last year, if we think about the seasonality of margins, we saw Q2 margins just a little bit lower than Q1 margin. Obviously, Q3 is very different. And then Q4 margin above significantly the Q1 level. Is that the right general seasonality that we should be thinking for 2026 off of this 13.5% margin at the midpoint? It seems like the full-year guidance at least at the $8 level, really doesn't contemplate that kind of seasonality, but maybe I'm wrong.

Maybe you could just kind of offer some thoughts there.

Drew Wells: Sure. I mean, maybe just, you know, thinking of the rep side in particular and going back to some of the early comments, you know, a lot of this will depend on your view on what happens with core demand as we go through the summer. I think the industry as a whole, and we're no different, is taking a slightly more conservative view on how that will roll out. Again, we've just seen so much variability in those actual results as we go back through the last several years. So, you know, depending on your level of bullishness on summer demand will probably dictate how you think that margin cadence looks through 2026.

Robert Neal: Hey, John. It's BJ. The only thing I'd add to that is just keep in mind Drew hinted at the top of the call that, you know, he's constrained on fleet heading into the summer. We had some very modest delays on some MAX deliveries that are impacting the early part of summer capacity. And so that'll put a limit on what we can do.

Jad Gaudin: Okay. Guess what I was getting at is, you know, some of this is in your control with the s kind of rolling on throughout the year. It does seem very reasonable even in a wide range of demand scenarios that Q4 '26 margins are going to be considerably higher than your Q1 range. I mean, unless something really changed in the demand environment, is that logic wrong?

Greg Anderson: Hey. Hey, John. It's Greg. I could step in maybe. Like, for the first quarter, I think we have about 28% remaining to book. We're still early in the full year. And so we feel we put a guide out there for the full year that we're confident that we can deliver on. Currently, demand is strong, and the economy, backdrop, you know, it seems good. But to Drew's point, we just don't want to get ahead of ourselves. And so we want to take a more measured approach and then update throughout the year each quarter.

Jad Gaudin: Okay. Fair enough. I mean, I think we can tell what you're getting at. Can I just ask a completely different question? There's a view out there that there could be a carrier liquidating relatively soon. I'm not sure if that's true or not. I'm just curious if you guys have a playbook for an event like that. Does that influence anything that you would do? Is there kind of a second step to that if we see an event like that occur in the industry?

Greg Anderson: I'll start, and Drew may want to add. But we don't view our success here at Allegiant as being kind of dependent on what other carriers in our sector may or may not do. We believe we're just uniquely positioned here at Allegiant just because of our differentiated model and, candidly, we have limited overlap. But what Drew and his team always do is they keep a close eye on capacity, industry capacity, and they'll continue to evaluate that. As they would. Normally. Right?

Drew Wells: Yes. That's right. And, you know, we recently secured a little bit more space in Fort Lauderdale as it is. I've been looking to grow in there for a while, and, you know, it can be a bit of an owner at the airport to be able to grow into, and we've been great partners with them. They've been great partners to us. Helping to work to secure them. We're going to keep trying to grow where we see demand and success, and, you know, that's one of the places where we've been successful in doing so.

Jad Gaudin: And if that happened in the near term, would you have the ability to lean into that to flex capacity into that? It sounds like there are some aircraft constraints, which well? Or do you think you'd just be a beneficiary more on the yield side or something like that?

Drew Wells: I mean, to be determined. I mean, it's a lot of in there. Like we mentioned earlier, we do have some slack left in our schedule that will deploy as we see fit. Kind of as, you know, as we see what shakes out. So whether that comes through capacity, whether that comes through, you know, just a few less seats in the market benefiting pricing for the short term. I guess we'll see. It's hard to speculate at this point, I think.

Jad Gaudin: Alright. Fair enough. Thank you for all the answers.

Operator: The next question comes from Savi Syth with Raymond James. Your line is open.

Savi Syth: Hey. Good afternoon. Just maybe a little expanding a little bit on Mike's earlier question. I was kind of curious how you're thinking about balance sheet this year and targets. And, you know, you do have a big CapEx plan this year, and this merger. So curious how you're kind of thinking about where you'd like to kind of keep the balance sheet.

Robert Neal: Sure. Thanks, Savi. You know, I've spoken on these calls for a while about trying to keep net leverage in the two to two and a half turns. We don't have a specific mandate from Greg or our board on that, but we update on it every quarter, and I think that's a healthy place to be. I'd like to see that number closer to two versus two and a half, but as we've kind of alluded to on the call, there's been a lot of opportunity out in the industry, and there are certain times where we should move within that range.

As I think about 2026, the things that we need to consider are refinancing our bond, that's maturing in 2027. We don't need to do that in 2026, but the markets are quite constructive at the moment. It could be a good opportunity to build up some cash balances at attractive economics. And then there's the consideration, the cash consideration due to Sun Country in the back of the year. And then we've been trying to keep cash balances elevated a little bit, toward the higher end of our targets, and that's because we'd like to envision a world where we're paying out our pilot retention bonus at some point soon as well.

And so we want to be ready to do that when we have an opportunity. So those are the big things. And then we have a big CapEx here, as you mentioned. Now most of that could be financed at delivery. We'll probably pay cash for airplanes in the first half of the year and then think about aircraft financing in the back half of the year.

Greg Anderson: Savi, it's Greg. I just wanted to add a couple of comments on BJ's points there. And maybe a little bit more high level, and that's the, you know, owning our fleet and opportunistically buying aircraft is a differentiator for us at Allegiant. We think it sets us apart, particularly in our segment of the industry. And it's a major driver behind our durability, our low ownership cost, and our flexibility in that regard. And with the Sun Country acquisition, just the work that BJ and the team have done to strengthen the balance sheet over the years and the way we structured the deal, this isn't going to stretch us by any means.

In fact, post-close and integration, it's going to strengthen the balance sheet. We have, you know, a favorable well-timed MAX order, and you combine that with the free cash flow that Sun Country is currently producing, that's going to help us not only maintain low leverage but continue to delever post-combination.

Robert Neal: That's well said, Greg. Thank you for adding that. And I think, you know, inside of Greg's comments there, Savi, the question is, if we wanted to raise the financing, do we do it ahead of having clarity on all of the approval dates and the close date, knowing the close date definitively? Because we may raise a little bit of additional capital today to be ready to close, but immediately on closing, we'll benefit, like Greg mentioned, from the cash flow that business produces.

Savi Syth: Great. Good point. And this is our answer. I'll leave it at that. Thank you.

Operator: The next question comes from Connor Cunningham with Melius Research. Your line is open.

Connor Cunningham: Everyone, thank you. We could just start on the new market development. It's been a bit since we've started to add back new cities and whatnot. You highlighted the 10% of your capacity in Q2 and Q3. Just curious if you could provide some maybe some historical context to what a unit revenue drag would normally be on new markets just as we start to think about past Q1 in general. Thank you.

Drew Wells: Yeah. I think in the past, what we've talked about is something in the 10 to 15% range relative to the rest of the system. And no reason to expect it to be different through the cycle.

Connor Cunningham: Okay. Helpful. And then just in terms of so, yeah, your well-timed MAX order, you sounded very, very bullish on the MAX deliveries in general. I believe you have 80 on options that are still waiting to be converted or potentially converted. Like, do you need to wait, or can you just talk about how you would approach the options side of the business or the options for the MAXs in general? Are you going to wait for Sun Country to close?

Like, is there just trying to understand the dynamic of where we could be in a couple of years from now in terms of just the overall maybe a decade from now, where we could be in terms of just MAX contribution in general for the company? Thank you.

Robert Neal: Connor, yes. Thanks for the question. As you can tell, we're really excited about the opportunity and excited about what we're seeing in the firm portion of the MAX order. And there are options. I think we would need to start talking about exercising those options if that's the decision in the back half of this year. And that would be for deliveries beginning in 2028. And I don't think that we have to wait for a Sun Country close to make that decision because we know or I'll say, I believe that exercising some of those options at least is accretive to our standalone business.

But I think it becomes much, much more powerful when you think about the combined fleet. You know, when we had the call on the merger, we talked a lot about synergies, but it was really difficult to quantify fleet synergies, in particular, around the P&L because there's just a lot of trading between the two airlines that own their entire fleet. And we just have such a better opportunity to take advantage of the auction order book.

Connor Cunningham: Can I just ask one more on top of that? Like, is the A320 like, do you envision the A320 to be part of the fleet further down the line? It just seems like the MAX has done wonders for your business in general. And, you know, obviously, Sun Country is a 737 operation. Just like any thoughts on single fleet in general? Thank you.

Robert Neal: Sure, Connor. I think I got a little I'm loaded. I know. Your question and probably forgot to maybe give you a responsible CFO comment and say, the number one thing to guide that decision is probably the shape of our balance sheet. And so, the A320 has been a fantastic machine, a fantastic producer for the Allegiant business for a long time. We announced the MAX order, I think we talked about the combined fleet being about 50% Airbus, 50% Boeing. At the end of the order. Candidly, we haven't sat around internally and discussed that changing significantly.

Like I said, there's probably a little bit more opportunity on the MAX side now that we on the assumption that we would close the Sun Country transaction. But I think owning aircraft is more important than which of the two aircraft right now. And in order to own the aircraft, we need to maintain a healthy balance sheet.

Connor Cunningham: Okay. Thank you.

Operator: The next question comes from the line of Ravi Shanker with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Ravi Shanker: Great. Thanks. Good evening, everyone. I think on the top of the call, you mentioned a tech stack opportunity and kind of how you're excited about what's coming. Can you just elaborate on that a little bit? And kind of is that something that you are putting in place now? Or do you think that needs to be made until after the merger?

Greg Anderson: Well, thanks, Ravi, for the question. It's a really important one. And we've been, you know, through a technology transformation here for a number of years. And I'd like to think where we're at today is that our technology investments are much more focused, and they're very practical. And as we've modernized our IT stack, it's unlocking a lot of value for us. And so these platforms, particularly on the commercial side, they're allowing us to move much more quickly. What we also were able to accomplish as part of this is bringing our data together and having better data and the ability to use that data to make better decisions.

But we're going to continue to be more nimble, continue in terms of technology, continue to find ways to improve particularly on the commercial side, but throughout the business. For example, we were seeing just for the winter storms that we just recently had, the new technology stack allowed us to communicate better with our customers. And that's what we're ultimately trying to drive. And it's still early, but we're pretty encouraged by what we're seeing the changes we've made in this area of the business.

Ravi Shanker: Understood. That's helpful. And maybe as a follow-up, you mentioned the investor day that you mentioned earlier for this year. Do you think that's still a 2026 event, or do you think it gets pushed out to '27?

Greg Anderson: I think it will pace with the close of the transaction that we're talking about, but we would expect if it closed during the timeline which we put out there the second half of this year, we still think there's going to be room to have an investor day this year in 2026.

Ravi Shanker: Great. I think that's going to be a pretty important catalyst for the stock and current figuring out normalized EPS. So, would strongly encourage that. Thank you.

Greg Anderson: Thanks, Ravi.

Operator: The next question comes from Dan McKenzie with Seaport Global. Your line is open.

Dan McKenzie: Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for the time, you guys. Couple questions here. And, you know, I guess, just you know, I hope you don't cringe too much at this question. You know, leave it to me to kick a dead horse here. But going back to the guide, does the, you know, the and does the $8 embed a full or partial recovery of the five percentage points of RASM that was lost in 2025? And I guess, you know, just beyond 2026, more broadly, you know, just given the k-shaped economic recovery that we've experienced, Drew, are some of the lowest leisure demand buckets still missing here as you kind of give us this revenue outlook?

And, you know, I guess related to that, if that demand segment doesn't come back, you know, can you still manage the airline to a mid-teens operating margin, you know, throughout the cycle?

Drew Wells: Yeah. Thanks, Dan. I'll try to unpack some of this here. Yeah. I'd be remiss not to, you know, give another shout-out for our customer mix. You know, it does tend to be on the top part of that k shape. Right? And their median income over $100k. Generally, originating from lower cost of living, you know, DMAs, we do have a really healthy customer that flies on us. So I don't think that the k-shaped economy by any means is any more headwind or worrisome for me, I guess, as we look forward. You know, what we provide is truly valuable in the communities we serve. And we can still stimulate with price.

We can still play with our schedule in a way that is going to produce the right outcome for what we're looking for. So that is not something that I will lose sleep over at this point.

Greg Anderson: Yeah. And I would just add to that, Dan, that I mean, just to echo what Drew said, that our business and model is designed to protect margins. The flexibility that we've built into it. And what we've talked a lot to the street about over the past year or so, the initiatives and the execution of the team to really re-strengthen that foundation. And so just to Drew's point, we feel really good where we're at and the flexibility we have and our ability just to serve the leisure customer.

Drew Wells: Yeah. And maybe sorry. I remember the first part of the question. Now if you think about the middle part of the year and recovering that kind of that same store deficiency we saw last year, you know, we're not plugging a full recovery into that number. So the I mean, that's kind of, you know, where you would see a clear upside story if the economy does get there. We're above zero on it. But not all the way back.

Dan McKenzie: Very helpful. Then, you know, second question here. Going back to the script, and the reference to the next phase of the credit card program, I'm just wondering what are the benchmarks that you'd like that credit card program to hit, I guess, first? And then second of all, you know, are there steps that you can take to get your credit card holders to spend more, or do you just think as you think about that next phase and where the revenue upside is, you know, what are the areas of focus that you know, that really makes sense?

Drew Wells: Yeah. I mean, there are definitively steps that we can take, and we know that because we've seen it in action, you know, over the last five months. Yeah. I mentioned at the top, you know, for the last five months being up double-digit percentage in new card acquisition, spend continues to look really strong. I think we just surpassed 600,000 cardholders. It's a really great story as we applied some, you know, kind of some new tactics and new thoughts even within the existing program, and then as you refresh it and bring it to something a little bit more modern, I think there's a meaningful amount of runway that exists there.

And as we think about how it's been communicated elsewhere, and you see 10% or more remuneration as a percent of revenue. I don't know that we get all the way to 10, but I think we get above the 5% or so that we did in 2025. So you think about another two to three points on that, it's a pretty compelling case right there.

Dan McKenzie: Yeah. Absolutely. Thanks for the time, you guys.

Operator: The next question comes from Christopher Stathoulopoulos with SIG. Your line is open.

Christopher Stathoulopoulos: Good afternoon. Wanna dig into the capacity outlook for '26. So the 10 to fifteen the new routes, it's consistent with your historical profile. If you could speak to the composition, so departure stage engage, and then on utilization, hours per day, year on year, and then the mix peak versus off-peak year on year. And then, also, on the allocations of just look at first Q1, excuse me, you know, inventory is down solidly across most of your key markets, obviously, with the exception of FLL and how you're thinking about inventory, I guess, distribution against that full-year guide. Thanks. Bye, Mark.

Drew Wells: Hi, Mark. Yeah. You got it. How about day two? We'll kind of go through all of it. I'll do my best to unpack everything we talked through here. You know, age and engage are a little bit offsetting through the year. So those are somewhat of a neutral for us. Yeah. We talked about Lauderdale and some of the other growth spots that, you know, kind of come from the new market announcements. We filled out SNA a little bit, filled out a little more in Gulf Shores. Lauderdale, we talked about. You know, in the spring, it's come a little bit at the expense of Provo capacity. That's gone elsewhere, but by and large, we backed by summer.

So some of it has really just been kind of a seasonal kind of sculpting having to make some tough choices through the spring. But, really, a lot of that capacity that is coming out is off-peak day. We're able to hold our peak days pretty close to flat in terms of actual flying, which to Greg's earlier point, will be, you know, a bit of a tailwind to our unit revenue outlook, you know, and better overall patterns for customers on that perspective. So, I can promise you I didn't hit all of your topics there. Is there anything else you wanted me to dive into?

Christopher Stathoulopoulos: Aircraft utilization.

Drew Wells: Where we meaningfully 25 versus 24. I want to say live as low sixes hours per aircraft per day in 24. Up to seven over seven in 25. I think it's flat, maybe slightly up a little bit in 26, for overall aircraft utilization.

Christopher Stathoulopoulos: Great. Okay. I'll keep it to that. Thank you.

Operator: The next question comes from Catherine O'Brien with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Catherine O'Brien: Hey. Good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for the time. So I just want to bring back to the fourth quarter beat for a minute. You know, you came in ahead despite the government shutdown. We don't know what your RASM or CASM expectations were going into the quarter. You just walk us through what went better and maybe just put some numbers around maybe how much better roughly, if not exactly. I'm really just trying to get a sense of, you know, where there might be continued momentum into the first quarter. Thanks.

Drew Wells: Yes. I'm happy to start. The rev outlook outperformed a little bit. And in particular, you know, we certainly I think we had communicated we did see a bit of a slowdown during the government shutdown as flights were being pulled back. But that recovered so well in the weeks following. And yeah, I talked a little bit about the holiday period, but, you know, that three-week stretch with some of which does spill into January being a positive on a year-over-year, certainly a bigger catalyst than I had anticipated at the beginning of the quarter. So, you know, kind of that late demand spike was a good guy.

Robert Neal: Sure, Katie. I'll just add in. Yeah. We did have a handful of beats on the cost side as well. There were a few areas. Salaries and wages came in a little bit lower than we had expected. And then I think the point of your question, there are a few items, maybe one, that I'll call out, which is in the maintenance line. We had a meaningful beat there, which I would expect to be a bit of a shift into the '26.

Catherine O'Brien: Okay. Great. Thanks. And then maybe, Vijay, just sticking with you. On the potential for refinancing and perhaps looking to raise debt against your unencumbered assets, you mentioned that the markets look constructive right now. Is there any structure or market that looks particularly attractive, capital markets, bank debt, finance lease, whatever it may be?

Robert Neal: We like all of those products. I think for me, and certainly others can weigh in here. For me, I just think it's important that we have a piece of the capital stack on the debt side that is not aircraft funded because the aircraft have proven to be resilient throughout cycles, including through a pandemic, and I just really like the ability to tap into aircraft to raise capital whether that's opportunistically for a large acquisition or whether that's out of defense because we see fluctuation in the demand environment. And so I just like the idea of keeping something of similar size to our existing bond at the time of its original issuance, was around $500 million.

I like keeping something like that out there, which is secured by corporate collateral or the loyalty program.

Catherine O'Brien: K. Great. Thanks for the color.

Robert Neal: Thanks, Katie.

Operator: This concludes the question and answer session. I'll turn the call to Sherry Wilson for closing remarks.

Sherry Wilson: Thank you all for joining us today. We'll see you next quarter.

Operator: This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect.

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